Interviewed by Sean Womack
I recently met Matt for the first time in DC at the Harvey Fellows Advisory Board meeting. We had a delightful dinner discussing life, faith and family. It was such a pleasure getting to know him that I decided to make my inaugural profile a conversation with him. I’m taking over editorial responsibilities that Matt has so ably initiated these past couple of years with the launch of Nexus. We are turning the tables on him, and letting him be the subject instead of the reporter for a change.
We had a long and wide ranging conversation, which I am going to include here in more of an interview format. I’m also going to break it into two parts just for the sake of length. We’ll email in a few weeks when the section part of the interview is ready. His bio online gives you a snapshot of his life:
Matthew Cabeen is a bacteriologist studying bacterial cell morphology and the bacterial cytoskeleton at Yale University in the lab of Christine Jacobs-Wagner. He studies how bacteria can generate and maintain a specific shape using advanced microscopy and genetic and physical manipulation. He will finish his PhD in spring 2010 and plans to continue studying bacterial cell biology in Boston for his postdoctoral work. His hope is to become a professor of biology at a leading research university where he will lead a research team and teach undergraduate and graduate students.
Matt earned dual B.S. degrees in Molecular Cell Biology and Diagnostic Genetic Sciences at the University of Connecticut in 2003, and an M.S. in Molecular, Cellular & Developmental Biology at Yale University in 2005. He married his wife Rose in 2008, and the couple has two children. Matt and his family live in New Haven, CT, where they attend Saint Thomas More, the Catholic Chapel at Yale. They will move to Boston, MA in the fall of 2010.
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Sean: So, Matt, what have you been doing the past couple of years?
Matt: I’ve been finishing up my PhD from Yale University in molecular, cellular and developmental biology. My PhD thesis has to do with a bacterium called
Caulobacter crescentus, which is a harmless bacterium that is in your tap water, in lakes, in soil. It has a curved shape with a stalk at one end so it looks like a banana. My thesis project was figuring out the mechanism by which these bacteria become curved. Many other bacteria like
E. coli for instance are a straight rod but this one is curved.
There is a protein that was discovered in the lab where I work that was discovered a little before I arrived -- and it is called crescentin, which causes that bacterium to become curved. I published a paper on the mechanism by which [this curvature] occurs, and I’ve been finishing up my PhD and preparing for the next step in the last year.
Sean: Where did you do your masters?
Matt: In this field, and at larger institutions, you don’t get a separate masters degree, you get your masters en route to your PhD. If you leave before you get your PhD, then you get your masters as sort of a consolation prize.
Sean: Where did you do your undergrad?
Matt: At the University of Connecticut. I have dual degrees in human genetics and molecular biology.
Sean: You grew up in Connecticut didn’t you?
Matt: Yes, in Milford. We moved to Milford when I was four.
Sean: So, you’ve been in Connecticut your whole life?
Matt: Almost the whole time. My junior and senior years, spring semester, I spent doing internships at a clinical diagnostic lab in Irvine, CA down in Orange County. So, that was a cumulative year spent out there. During my second year of graduate school, I spent three and a half months in Heidelberg, Germany doing a collaborative research project. So, I have left Connecticut a little bit.
Sean: How did you pick your particular field of study?
Matt: When I was in tenth grade I was taking biology – all tenth graders did – and we had a new teacher, Mr. Peace, and he noticed that I had an aptitude for biology. He put me in an AP class with seniors, which was a college level course. We were learning about cellular and molecular biology, and seeing how the DNA is treated in a cell and I was hooked. I loved that course. From then on I decided that I wanted to go into biology or genetics.
Going into college, I applied to three schools: Harvard, MIT and UConn and only got into UConn. My Dad told me later that even if I had gotten into one of those other schools (i.e. Harvard or MIT), he wasn’t going to pay that much for school. So, he was glad that I only got into UConn.
UConn has a very good program in diagnostic genetic sciences. This was in 1999, and genetics seemed like a cool, sexy thing to study. I talked to someone in the program and I thought it sounded cool and said, “Let's go for this.”
I started in this track. Then about halfway through, I discovered that it was a training program for people that wanted to do cytogenetics. These are the people that when you have cancer or an amniocentesis, they diagnose you with a disease. They look at the chromosomes of the biopsy or amniotic fluid to determine if there are any chromosomal abnormalities. They check to see if there is any disease.
It’s very repetitive work, and you need to be extremely good at it because patient care is on the line, but day in and day you are looking down a microscope trying to see what pieces of chromosome are there and if there are enough chromosomes or too many.
So, I thought, “Gee, this is good work, and anyone who graduates gets a good paying job,” but I really wanted to do research and be more creative.
Sean: You went from UConn to Yale?
Matt: If you have a degree in molecular biology, then there’s only so many things that you can do. You can get your teaching degree, and go into high school to teach biology or science. You can work as a lab technician in a research lab. Often times you can go on and get a masters and work in industry or in a diagnostic lab, but if you really want to do serious research and be a professor, then you really need a PhD.
So, that’s what I had to do. I decided at that point that I really wanted to be a professor.
Sean: When did you become a Harvey Fellow?
Matt: I became a Harvey Fellow in 2007.
Sean: Okay, so for your PhD.
Matt: Yes, I was in the fourth year of my program when I was awarded the fellowship.
Sean: And you are going to do your post-doc at Harvard. So, Harvard likes you now?
Matt: Yes, they rejected me as an undergrad and graduate student. I’m not going to be a student there, but they are finally letting me enter those hallowed halls.
Sean: Is it possible that you will teach there?
Matt: I may teach undergraduates. The mentor that I am working with is quite famous and renowned for his commitment to teaching. He built a state of the art teaching lab. He got to spend the last of Harvard’s money before the economy collapsed. It’s a fully functioning research facility, but undergraduates get involved with projects that are running in his lab.
Post-docs like me will directly train the undergrads in the teaching lab setting. The only thing that I would do teaching is running seminars for undergrads – mostly seniors - where we cover primary literature in a field where I have expertise.
Sean: What made you apply for a Harvey Fellowship?
Matt: I learned about it in an ad. I started reading the magazine First Things in 2006. I’d just become Catholic and was enthralled by this whole world of intellectual Christians that I had not even known existed – partially because I was not interested in that kind of thing.
I saw this classic Harvey Fellows ad that reads, “Do you believe that Christians should be in the corridors of influence? We do.” I thought, “Wow, there’s this fellowship just for Christians who are in these fields.”
I had always felt like the odd man out in my field. I never felt threatened, but I was extremely aware that there were very few – especially among the faculty – that I could think of who were publicly religious. I thought I needed to apply. I have a good friend named Imran Babar. I told him he should apply too, and we both became fellows that year.
So, it started for me as a magazine ad. When I read the information online I thought it sounded great. I’m sure many fellows have this experience. You see it and think it looks really premium. There’s a summer institute and the money is really good. So, you apply and then you get it and go to the Summer Institute – and it is a life changing event.
You meet people you would not meet in any other situation. After that event if the fellowship provided no money at all, then it would still be a great honor to be part of it just because of the great people you get to meet.
Sean: So you mentioned the Summer Institute being life changing. How was it?
Matt: For me it was an affirmation: to know that there are other people out there that are in the same place as you. Fellowship is really the right word for it. I found these people to be so special. So open minded. You have a bond there that is stronger than even a family tie because of Christ. They are people I never met before, and it only took a day to be best friends. That experience was amazing.
I remember on of the last day there Duane (he was still running it) had everyone pray for one another. We were all sitting in a circle and there was a seat in the middle. He said, “Okay now if you want to be prayed for, then you are going to come up and sit in this seat. You are going to share what you’d like us to pray for or share what you are feeling. Then some people are going to get up and we’re going to pray for you.”
Duane just very matter of factly said, “Many people say that this is the most moving part of the Summer Institute.” I thought to myself, “Okay, this seems a little campy. This is this going to be the best part?” It was. We were all crying by the end, and people were revealing struggles that they had.
The people there – I could connect with on such a deep level, and it required no activation energy at all. You meet these people and you know that you share a common set of values and a common faith in Christ. There’s nothing stopping you from just joining in and fellowshipping right form the beginning.
Sean: So, what about the idea of your faith being expressed in, and integrated into the mission of your field? Was this a new idea to you? Were you wrestling with this before the Summer Institute?
Matt: For evangelicals – and I consider myself evangelical even though I am Catholic because I believe in the urgency of evangelism – it’s always in the back of your mind at least. Sometimes its at the front of your mind: how you are going to reach your colleagues? I am speaking about this issue at the Summer Institute this year and the topic is “advancing truth faithfully.”
I’ve been thinking about this very question a lot and I’m coming to this conclusion. You’ve read the saying of St. Francis, “Preach the gospel at all times and use words when necessary.” I think many times Catholics think of this as a cop out. This is the antidote to the evangelical idea that when you are on a plane, you should probably figure out a way to ask the guy sitting next to you if he knows Jesus Christ as his personal savior. We think, "I’ll just preach the gospel by being a nice guy," but that’s not enough.
Preaching the gospel all the time means living your life in a different way. So, when people see it, “using words when necessary” means that when they ask you, “why do you do this?” that you are going to be ready with an answer - and a convincing one.
A great advantage that we have as Christians is that truth is truth no matter where it comes from. Truth is always borne out by the empirical record. Over my time at Yale, I’ve lived my life a little differently than some of the other students. One of the great advantages I have seen that only Christians seem to do is have families in graduate school. We get married and have families and the way in which we conduct relationships is different.
It is a challenge and a privilege to live in the age in which we do because sexual morality is so screwed up and relationships are so screwed up. So, when Christians live in accord to Christian principles in these things, it really sets us apart because there are so few people living according to that way.
I remember when I met my wife. We dated for about ten months, and then we got engaged. Our plan was to get married about six months later. Of course, we didn’t live together until we got married. She lived at her parents house, and I lived in the dorm at Yale. My advisor was asking me (I was showing her the ring that I got) “well don’t you want to live together first to make sure you are compatible?”
This is a very prevailing view these days, and this is one of those examples where being ready with an answer can really make a difference. So, I didn’t just say, well, that sounds like a good idea, but my faith says that I’m not supposed to. If the ostensible reason to live together before you get married is to tell if we are compatible, then what we should see in the empirical record is that persons who live together before they get married would have a lower divorce rate, but, in fact, what we see is exactly the opposite. So, there goes that rationale.
That’s an example where doing something in an unconventional way because of your faith can really be supported by data that everybody can respect. So, the answer is not just "this is my faith". They can see that living in a Christian way is a way to live with less drama.
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Coming soon: Part 2 of A Conversation with Matt Cabeen, Topics include..."Reconciling developmental biology and the Biblical narrative of creation."